RE: mac trojan in-the-wild

From: Alex Eckelberry <AlexE@sunbelt-software.com>
To: Thor (Hammer of God) <thor@hammerofgod.com>,Gadi Evron <ge@linuxbox.org>,bugtraq@securityfocus.com,full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
Cc:
Subject: RE: mac trojan in-the-wild
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> Let's not over-hype this-- while "Apple's day" has been coming, saying
that users will be "hit hard" on something the user has to 
> manually download, manually execute, and explicitly grant
administrative privileges to is *way* over the top. 

The future of malware is going to be largely through social engineering.
Does that mean we ignore every threat that comes out because it requires
user interaction?  Seems like whistling past the graveyard to me. 

Alex


-----Original Message-----
From: Thor (Hammer of God) [mailto:thor@hammerofgod.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:15 PM
To: Gadi Evron; bugtraq@securityfocus.com;
full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk
Subject: RE: mac trojan in-the-wild

> For whoever didn't hear, there is a Macintosh trojan in-the-wild being

> dropped, infecting mac users.
> Yes, it is being done by a regular online gang--itw--it is not yet 
> another proof of concept. The same gang infects Windows machines as 
> well, just that now they also target macs.
> 
> http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/screenshot-of-new-mac-
> trojan.html
> http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/mackanapes-can-now-can-feel-
> pain-of.html
> 
> This means one thing: Apple's day has finally come and Apple users are

> going to get hit hard. All those unpatched vulnerabilities from years 
> past are going to bite them in the behind.

Let's not over-hype this-- while "Apple's day" has been coming, saying
that users will be "hit hard" on something the user has to manually
download, manually execute, and explicitly grant administrative
privileges to is *way* over the top.



> I can sum it up in one sentence: OS X is the new Windows 98. Investing

> in security ONLY as a last resort losses money, but everyone has to 
> learn it for themselves.

Not "the new Windows 98" by a long shot - saying that is just
irresponsible.  While Apple is not used to dealing with security in the
same way that other companies are, comparing OSX to Windows 98 is not
only a huge technical inaccuracy, but you also insult MAC users out
there.  OSX had "UAC-like unprivileged user controls" way before Vista
did - let's not try to start some holy-war on this like people have
tried to do with Windows vs Linux in the past.

If you want to report this, then report it-- but say what it is, a
totally lame user-must-be-drunk "exploit" that requires that all manner
of things go wrong before it works -- otherwise people will think that
you've dressed up as Steve Gibson for Halloween.

t





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